2018 Juiced CrossCurrent S
Posted by Klaus Madinger on 2018 May 16th
I just received my Crosscurrent S yesterday so I jumped on my computer to view the delivery and set up videos, along with the owners manual. It took my about an hour to set the bike up. Nothing was amiss.
My main ride is a Kona Rove Al not a lightweight but the Crosscurrent is a heavy beast. I was tentative at first with the bike...not knowing what to expect. As suggested I rode the bike with out power, because you need to know what to expect if you run of out of juice. I rode through my neighborhood which has some slight grades and a few hills all on smooth pavement. Switched to Eco mode as Tora stated "it offsets the weight of the bike" and he is bang on. The weight issue started to dissipate for me. The bike/rider weight was offset by the motor nicely. Worked my way through the modes 1,2 and 3. The motor assist regardless of mode was noticeable on every incline (good thing) especially in a head wind. Driving on flat terrain I noticed the bike for me had a sweet spot and was traveling rather effortlessly in mode 1 doing 30-32 km. Some minor quirks that have been stated by others , the front fender rattled on occasion...will be swapping out the Kenda tires for Schwalbes... there was some tire or motor whine somewhere underneath my seat or by the front tire.
I got the XL frame 20" I am 6'1" and 195 lbs. The bike sizing was right for me. My initial ride was 26km and it was 20 degress celsius ( a perfect day for a bike ride). I am pleased with the out of the box value at this point. Hats off to Hill Eaters and Juiced from London ON.
I have taken flight
Posted by HGW on 2018 May 14th
A few minor issues out of the box: both brake rotors slightly bent and rubbing requiring some straightening; I believe the chain may be too long on this unit which causes an excess of slack and chain slap, however, I haven't dropped a chain yet. Also, the extended range battery, supposed to be a 19.2 Ah, was extremely difficult to fit on the bike. I eventually had to remove the two rubber pads inside the battery holding channel in order to accommodate it and make contact with the leads. The battery also does not make that satisfying "click" sound when installed which always sees me check and double check that it is locked into place (not a bad practice anyway). Aside from the brake rotors and battery fit, assembly was easy.
Now the good part. This thing is absolutely amazing! You want speed? Just stick her in "S" and pedal moderately hard and you'll be at 50 km/h in no time. Easy to maintain as well. My biggest problem so far is finding a stretch of road long enough to keep up this speed for a long period of time. Seriously, before you know it, you're at the next set of lights or stop signs, so, you can appreciate how the 180 mm hydraulic discs really become important. I certainly appreciate that the large front sprocket allows you to maintain a satisfying pedaling cadence when you're in high gear even at top speeds. This is my first Ebike so I can't speak about cadence sensors but the torque sensor on the CCS creates a very organic pedal assist experience. It is exactly like riding an ordinary bike except you constantly have a strong to extremely strong wind at your back. The only caveat to this is that, occasionally when slowing down and coming to a stop, I have experienced the odd unexpected surge of power from the motor. It's not alarming or dangerous but certainly unexpected. I believe this is due to the chain being too long and causing the gear cassette to spin a bit unpredictably forward when hitting a bump. This causes the torque sensor to believe you are pedaling when in fact you're not and therefore supplies you with a small burst of power when you don't require or expect it. Not really a huge deal, just something to be aware of. I'm sure this could be remedied by taking a few links out, shortening the chain and creating more tension on the drive train thus reducing or eliminating the cassette movement.
I have been researching Ebikes for approximately 15 years now, studying different motors, batteries, controllers, mid drives, rear hubs, etc. and finally pulled the trigger on the Cross Current S because it has come closest to the range, speed, geometry, look, price, availability, and customer approval that I have been looking for. Without reserve I can honestly say, I have zero regrets. Thanks Juiced, Hill Eater, Tora, and all those Ebike and Juiced Bike reviewers. H
I LOVE IT!!!!
Posted by Unknown on 2018 May 14th
I got the bike assembled easily and all online videos were really straightforward - and believe me I rarely use a screwdriver! I have to say it looked amazing. I live in a mountainous area and I have had to stop commuting last year because it simply took too long and I was exhausted when I got home after a long uphill only ride. Well ever since I received my Juiced Crosscurrent S, I have been riding for pleasure and commuting to work every day. I have a commute of 15 km to work that took me 50-55 min that now takes me 30 min and the ride home which is uphill and a lot of it on very steep grades - it now takes me only 45 min (it used to take me 1 hour and 35 min!) I feel like superman. And because the hills are quite steep on my way home I still get a massive workout peddling home. I really love this bike - it's been 2 weeks and I look forward to getting on it and don't feel so exhausted at the end of a day. The sport mode is amazing - I blast by all other cyclists on my way to and from work - not sure what they are thinking when I whizz by them but it doesn't matter - I am superman...hahah. The help I received from Dave Elderton was also amazing. He helped me every step of the way and answered all my questions promptly and in my opinion, went above and beyond. Thanks Dave, I love this bike!.
Really great value but with a few caveats
Posted by Ed Willis on 2018 Apr 25th
I've had my Crosscurrent S for a few months now and have put well over 1000 KM on it - most of that in winter riding. Below are my observations - I'll start off with the negatives so this review, which is ultimately very positive, can finish on a positive note.
Build/assembly quality was the main concern I'd raise - when I received my bike, it had cables routed directly over and rubbing against the chain. That would almost certainly have broken them over time had I not corrected it. Also the derailleur was badly misaligned, making certain gears in accessible. And the brakes were grabbing so the wheels wouldn't spin freely.
On the whole, my experience with the bike was immeasurably improved once I had my bike mechanic do a tune up on it - I'd recommend this for any future owners also.
First impressions, or the "out of box" experience, was a little disappointing because there was a fair bit of installation required - pedals, wheels, reflectors, lights, etc. Nothing unmanageable but not the quick setup I'd expected. Also I will point out that a speciality tool is needed to remove the rear wheel - maybe in other instances, people were able to get the rear wheel nut off with vice grips or wrenches, but neither I nor my bike mechanic could not. Ultimately I bought the special tool from Juiced Bikes and was able to get the nut off with that. Really I think this tool should be included with the purchase of the bike, but, failing that, I'd strongly recommend buyers add this tool to their purchase at the moment they buy the bike. That tool is included in this package:
but I was able to get just the wrench (all the way to the left in the picture in that link) from Juiced Bikes in the US.
Which gets me to support, which has been excellent in my experience. The people both at juicedriders.ca and juicedbikes.com have been really great to deal with in sourcing parts for this bike - even going as far as sending me stuff in advance of payment to make sure my down time was minimized. Really greatly appreciated!
Now on the the bike itself - I just love this thing! Very, very solid feel. Tons of power - essentially I can choose each ride how hard I want to work, while leaving my commute more or less the same duration, which makes it vastly earlier to handle riding 120+ KM/week. The bike is very, very fast - I routinely get to and hold the bike at 50+ km/hour, which I'll admit takes some time to get used to. Comfort is also vastly better than on my previous bikes. I put hours and hours on this bike and still feel a bit of a thrill whenever I start a ride. I really love riding it and I suspect that vast majority of people will also.
17ah battery is great but I will admit I'm hard pressed to make it back and forth to work on a single charge in cold weather - that's just 40Km all in, which isn't that far really. For sure battery life is reduced in cold weather - but I live in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada after all, where's there's no end of cold weather! As things warm up, I am starting to see my battery life climb, which is encouraging.
All in all, I've found this bike to be almost transformative for me and my health. I would encourage anyone reading this review to strongly consider the Crosscurrent S as their next bike - just go in with your eyes open and have a long look at the bike once you get it assembled to make sure it's tuned correctly.
Posted by Walter on 2018 Mar 11th
received my Cross Current S just a few days ago. The ordering process was painless and all of my questions were answered promptly by Hill Eater E Bikes on Saltspring. Assembly was a breeze as the bike comes pretty much fully assembled, only had to put on the front wheel, headlight and fender. Noticed a couple of issues but nothing serious. The front brake was rubbing slightly and the head set clamps needed tightening. As the weather here in Western Quebec hasn't been cooperating I took it out for the first time today. This was my first ride on a Pedelec and I have to say that this thing is Absolutely AMAZING!!!
Thanks Juiced and Hill Eater!
what an amazing product
Posted by Mauricio Ortiz Buitrago on 2018 Feb 12th
Can't be happier with the product and the service form Juice Riders. The bike is amazing, the most complete set of features, very powerful, I have been using it in winter despite the cold and snow and responds like a champ. If not by the snow and ice, I would be using it more than my car. It is a pleasure to ride, no gas expenses, no traffic, fast acceleration from red lights, no insurance.....
Posted by Allan on 2018 Jan 14th
I keep getting emails from the Canadian distributor inviting me to review the bike, so I guess it worked as I'm providing my initial impressions.
In summary, I think it's a great bike and great value. I would recommend it to most people, but for some people it wouldn't be the right bike. For most though the value is so good that if you want an electric bike I think the overall package of the Crosscurrent S is very appealing.
So if you want a quick snappy review, there it is. For those who don't mind reading a lot or want to know why I like the bike here are the (long) details.
Background - First of all I think it's relevant to know a bit about me because I don't believe that any bike out there is suited for all people. Everyone has different needs. I have been commuting to work by bike for 6 and a half years now. Not every day, but generally commuting 15.5 to 18 km's each way to work depending upon which route I take. I am now 52 years old and lately I have been finding that if I want to make good time to and from work that I get too tired to ride 5 days a week. When weather is good I ride a Cervelo RS and I haven't been crazy about riding it in lousy weather. The Crosscurrent S was to allow me to ride more frequently and to keep my Cervelo out of the bad weather.
I'll go through the cons first as it's a short list compared to what I like about the bike. I wouldn't really say these are cons about the bike, but more like nits that aren't perfect for me. The bike offers such great value it's hard to criticize it. But I don't like how heavy the bike is. I realize it's a commuter and being electric it's going to be heavy. I guess for me the Crosscurrent Air is better suited to what I want, but the Canadian importer was bringing in the S and once you add the torque sensor, fenders, rack, and lights to the Air you're pretty much up to the cost of the S, so I figured why not.
The other nit is the riding position. You're sitting pretty much straight up, which I realize is normal for this type of bike. But if you're going to make a fast bike then I think the position should be more aero. I've found when I'm hitting 37 km/hr. and faster on the bike that the battery really drains fast. A more aero position would help here a lot.
There's a lot to like about this bike. I used to have a hybrid with a Bionx system and the Crosscurrent S is so much better than the Bionx system. First of all the torque sensor make the riding experience much more like that of a regular bike, just that you have some boost. That was never the case with my Bionx bike. I also find that the geometry of this bike and having the battery inset into the downtube makes for better weight distribution and the handling difference is night and day. This bike handles so much better.
I was without an electric bike for about 5 years and during that time I looked around at a lot of bikes. The value of this bike was amazing. It's hard to find a bike at this price point with all the features and extras it has. I also wanted a bike that could get me to and from work quickly and I'd say on the highest setting I can get to and from work pretty much just as fast as if I drove.
I also have to give a shout out to Hill Eater bikes who are the Canadian distributor. I found the service to be excellent. I'd happily deal with them again.
I've ridden the bike about 100 km's so far and as everyone knows it's a fast bike. Even on the lower power levels it's pretty fast. You can pretty much ride all day at 22 to 25 km/hr. on the low power settings and the battery drain is pretty low. You can also cruise to work at 35 km/hr. if you're willing to pedal hard and you're flying by other cyclists.
I'll report back at the end of summer and I have a few thousand km's on the bike
Quiet speed well balanced
Posted by Pat on 2018 Jan 8th
I was reluctant to buy an ebike , know I don't know why. All of the freedom of a bicycle but opportunities to travel farther, cheaper than my regular 4 cycle commute to work. I am buying a full face helmet though, after I put it in sport mode, I have to be a lot more aware of traffic who that is not used to seeing a bike travel that fast.
Comes with standard Juiced 1 year warranty against manufacturing defects. Lifetime warranty on the frame to the original customer.
Covers frame and components / battery/electrical. Battery is warrantied to have at least 70% of original capacity after 1 year. Tires, tubes and brake pads/rotors are excluded. In the event that there is a warranty claim and we determined that the frame, a part, or the battery is faulty or failed due to defective workmanship by us, we will fully replace such at no charge, however, replacement labor and shipping cost is not covered by this warranty. Normal wear and damage is not covered by this warranty.
If you are consistently using the bike in the rain we suggest filling the electrical connectors with dielectric grease as an extra precaution. (This can be purchased at any automotive supply retailer) Be sure to properly re seat the larger push-on connectors, they will click into place with a firm push. (If you are unsure about this, have your dealer do it for you.)
Fully Focused, Fully Loaded:
We interviewed our customers and have heard what you're looking for. We researched exactly how our bikes are being used in the real world. We studied every product on the market and visited all of our key suppliers.
We set the performance targets sky high and demanded only the highest value and the highest performance components available today.
We drew from 8 years of e-bike manufacturing experience to conceive the most complete e-bike commuter ever. On top of this we optimized every aspect of our operation to bring this product to market at an affordable price.
The result is a more capable vehicle, built on the game changing CrossCurrent platform and re-focused on the task of e-bike commuting. It is impossible to beat the performance, quality and value of the CrossCurrent S.
Demand for the CrossCurrent S is very high, our summer stock will likely be sold out by the end of May. The next order is not due until mid summer. Pre-order here.
There are a few large frame black and red left as of May 22nd.
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Note that these units do not have the GPS option mentioned elsewhere. It will be included with the new 52 Volt 21 Ah battery. Availability TBA.
How far can I go on a single charge?
We get this question a lot. The answer is quite complicated and can not be really distilled to one single number. Some manufacturers post very "ideal" range figures, so it is difficult to compare range from bike to bike.
Posting the "real world" range number might not appear impressive and could hurt sales. We aim to give a true picture of our bike's battery range.
The truth: Range depends on many factors including...
Total payload, rider + gear
How much you pedal
Type of battery
Age of the battery
So... how far can I go??
The range you can go is basically boiled down to this:
How much energy you have onboard
How much energy you need to go one mile
This is all great. But HOW FAR CAN I GO!?
Hang on, we will get there. To answer this question properly, we have conducted real-world test to find out how much energy you need to go one mile. We can then extrapolate the data to get a close estimate of how far you can expect to go on a charge.
How we did the range test:
The first thing we must do is to lock in a few factors and use throttle-only test. Then we did the same test but with pedal assist. The numbers will trend smoothly and be repeatable. Then we know we have real results.
Payload of the rider:
About 190 pounds, this includes some gear.
We use the stock tires at 60 psi. Higher pressure will result in more range but a harder ride, lower pressure will result in lower range but a softer ride.
The road surface is more or less normal with a few bumps. Bumps are basically small walls that crash into the wheels and slow the bike down.
The surface is more or less level, but the test circuit does go up and down somewhat.
It is difficult to find an area with absolutely no wind. The test circuit does have a little bit of wind, but it tends to blow in only one direction.
Warm temperatures of around 80 degrees or more. Cold weather will reduce the range.
Range: Throttle Only, No Pedaling
For these test, the speed limit is set to 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20 mph and we run around a level ground loop. The pattern will emerge and we can clearly see how efficient the bike is at each of those speeds. The results are posted in the "Throttle Only / No Pedaling" row.
So for example if you have a 17.4 Ah battery pack and you want to average 18 mph without pedaling, if you set the cruise control to 18 mph you can expect to go about 50 miles on level ground without stops. If you drop the speed to 14 mph, you can expect to go about 65 miles.
Range: Assist Level 3 with Normal Pedaling
Any pedaling will decrease the workload of the battery and as a result increase the range. It is hard to calculate exactly how hard someone pedals as everyone is of different fitness levels.
For the pedal assist range test, we set the pedal assist to level 3 and the speed limit to 10, 12, 14 etc. up to 24 mph. The rider is instructed to pedal evenly and normally as if riding a normal bike.
The pattern will emerge and we can get a good idea of the pedal assist range for a given speed. The results are posted in the "Assist Level 3 / Normal Pedaling" row.
So for example if you have a 21.0 Ah battery pack and you want to average about 20 mph with normal pedaling, you can expect to go about 63 miles. If you drop the speed to around 14 mph, you can expect to go around 104 miles.
How far can I go in SPORT mode?
This gets even more complicated and we will follow up with more test to provide a clear answer. Sport Mode provides a lot of boost to get the bike up to higher speeds. Then it relies on a mix of pedaling and motor power to maintain the top speed.
As the bike goes faster and faster the motor is able to provide less and less assistance. At some point the forces pushing the bike forward equals the forces pushing the bike backwards and you settle at the top speed.
We expect the range in sport mode to be similar to Assist level 3 when riding below 24 mph. At the higher speeds, the wind becomes a huge factor and the results will not be so linear.
To maintain speeds of 28 mph and higher in SPORT mode, the rider will need to do more than a leisurely amount of pedaling. So the normal test cannot be conducted and this will throw off the numbers somewhat.